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	<title>Comments on: Iran: Re-Evaluating the Green Movement After 5+ Months</title>
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		<title>By: freedom lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>freedom lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the real GREEN MOVEMENT consists of the people in Iran that are out protesting for their rights &amp; to gain Full freedom from a torturous regime that has been nothing but abusive &amp; oppressive for the past 30 years. so it&#039;s really not about Karoubi or moussavi anymore , although we should thank them for starting the movement with or without a choice. this green movement is all about the iranian  people living in Iran &amp; facing their fears with bravery one last time. 
victory in near.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the real GREEN MOVEMENT consists of the people in Iran that are out protesting for their rights &amp; to gain Full freedom from a torturous regime that has been nothing but abusive &amp; oppressive for the past 30 years. so it&#8217;s really not about Karoubi or moussavi anymore , although we should thank them for starting the movement with or without a choice. this green movement is all about the iranian  people living in Iran &amp; facing their fears with bravery one last time.<br />
victory in near.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamshid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamshid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.
Thank you. You are very kind.
It won&#039;t keep me from trying though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.<br />
Thank you. You are very kind.<br />
It won&#8217;t keep me from trying though.</p>
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		<title>By: pessimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>pessimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rezvan,  the useful idiot, though somewhat more thoughtful with better thinking, since my last reply..some time ago.. . methinks

&quot;At whatever cost AN’s govt has been able to restore calm, the opposition leaders are still relarively free &amp; able to exercise some of their constitutional rights to campaign &amp; speak freely.

Sure, with brutal repression and &#039;opposition&#039;, free to publish on youtube, facebook only.. that&#039;s what you&#039;re saying ? 

jamshid - 

you steal your ideas you&#039;re not authentic, you&#039;re a fake or a nutter. Nobody will ever take you seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rezvan,  the useful idiot, though somewhat more thoughtful with better thinking, since my last reply..some time ago.. . methinks</p>
<p>&#8220;At whatever cost AN’s govt has been able to restore calm, the opposition leaders are still relarively free &amp; able to exercise some of their constitutional rights to campaign &amp; speak freely.</p>
<p>Sure, with brutal repression and &#8216;opposition&#8217;, free to publish on youtube, facebook only.. that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re saying ? </p>
<p>jamshid &#8211; </p>
<p>you steal your ideas you&#8217;re not authentic, you&#8217;re a fake or a nutter. Nobody will ever take you seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rezvan,

I respectfully disagree with your perspective and have a lot to say about it.  Unfortunately, I feel it will be a waste of time.  I only would like to say REALLY (???????????)  to your declarations such as opposition leaders have been able to exercise their constitutional rights, AN government has been astute, circumstances of Neda&#039;s death is in dispute.  I wonder if you live on different planet or I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rezvan,</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree with your perspective and have a lot to say about it.  Unfortunately, I feel it will be a waste of time.  I only would like to say REALLY (???????????)  to your declarations such as opposition leaders have been able to exercise their constitutional rights, AN government has been astute, circumstances of Neda&#8217;s death is in dispute.  I wonder if you live on different planet or I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamshid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamshid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say there are many forces at work right now inside Iran.

Often, these movements  cross paths and over lap. All the  movements need each other.

One movement works in the shadows; and grows in the light. It plans to win and is guided by the political ideology of democracy.
It is grassroots bottom-up community organizing. It is secretive. They are working on political, social, and military issues.  The leaders are not as important as the system.  Think of it like a business plan which every cell follows.
This movement understands that it must be armed and prepared to defend life &amp; property.  It understands that it outnumbers the government 10 to 1.  It knows it can not take the system head on; but is slowly replacing enemies with friends.
In fighting the war, it is stealthy, crafty, and just as ruthless as the regime. But it has mercy, honor, and believes in human rights. It&#039;s only objective: democracy.
In every city &amp; village. It is being planned. In every corner of the nation, they speak of things in hushed voices; and behind closed doors.
They do not travel in groups; and they do not have a base.  Members of one cell have no clue who members of other cells are.  And it does not matter; for each cell has their own purpose.

When dealing with government agents and resources, they have no mercy.
When dealing with civilians; they show compassion and love.
They work to build a real alternative government.  A living breathing system based upon democracy, the rule of law, justice, &amp; human rights.  A system that has proper checks &amp; balances.
As will this movement and the war to win our freedom.
Because those who began this idea; believe in the ideas of George Washington; not mao or Che.

And although our members are secretive, I can publish all our plans on the internet and not care who reads it.  And that is one of the great advantages.

What is this movement?
The Democratic nation of iran
http://iran115.org/manifesto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say there are many forces at work right now inside Iran.</p>
<p>Often, these movements  cross paths and over lap. All the  movements need each other.</p>
<p>One movement works in the shadows; and grows in the light. It plans to win and is guided by the political ideology of democracy.<br />
It is grassroots bottom-up community organizing. It is secretive. They are working on political, social, and military issues.  The leaders are not as important as the system.  Think of it like a business plan which every cell follows.<br />
This movement understands that it must be armed and prepared to defend life &amp; property.  It understands that it outnumbers the government 10 to 1.  It knows it can not take the system head on; but is slowly replacing enemies with friends.<br />
In fighting the war, it is stealthy, crafty, and just as ruthless as the regime. But it has mercy, honor, and believes in human rights. It&#8217;s only objective: democracy.<br />
In every city &amp; village. It is being planned. In every corner of the nation, they speak of things in hushed voices; and behind closed doors.<br />
They do not travel in groups; and they do not have a base.  Members of one cell have no clue who members of other cells are.  And it does not matter; for each cell has their own purpose.</p>
<p>When dealing with government agents and resources, they have no mercy.<br />
When dealing with civilians; they show compassion and love.<br />
They work to build a real alternative government.  A living breathing system based upon democracy, the rule of law, justice, &amp; human rights.  A system that has proper checks &amp; balances.<br />
As will this movement and the war to win our freedom.<br />
Because those who began this idea; believe in the ideas of George Washington; not mao or Che.</p>
<p>And although our members are secretive, I can publish all our plans on the internet and not care who reads it.  And that is one of the great advantages.</p>
<p>What is this movement?<br />
The Democratic nation of iran<br />
<a href="http://iran115.org/manifesto" rel="nofollow">http://iran115.org/manifesto</a></p>
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		<title>By: kevina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a fourth explanation?  The Green leaders are scared s%^&amp;less for their lives right now?  I mean, you CAN&#039;T eliminate that, can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a fourth explanation?  The Green leaders are scared s%^&amp;less for their lives right now?  I mean, you CAN&#8217;T eliminate that, can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Bijan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bijan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but begin to think there are two movements at hand.  The Green movement as discussed above which is headed by Mousavi, Karroubi, etc and another movement (insert appropriate color) is gaining momentum of its own, perhaps evidenced by the most recent protests in which the Green movement &quot;leaders&quot; were for the most part absent from.  To Rezvan&#039;s point above, I also think there are two general thoughts..slow steady change within the establishment and also one which demands drastic change quickly.  To me a question is one that asks will these two compliment each other or take seperate paths and does the power of one movement exceed that of what two movements could do (imagine the regime taking on another front)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but begin to think there are two movements at hand.  The Green movement as discussed above which is headed by Mousavi, Karroubi, etc and another movement (insert appropriate color) is gaining momentum of its own, perhaps evidenced by the most recent protests in which the Green movement &#8220;leaders&#8221; were for the most part absent from.  To Rezvan&#8217;s point above, I also think there are two general thoughts..slow steady change within the establishment and also one which demands drastic change quickly.  To me a question is one that asks will these two compliment each other or take seperate paths and does the power of one movement exceed that of what two movements could do (imagine the regime taking on another front)?</p>
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		<title>By: rezvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rezvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran like many other Muslim countries has a religiously &amp; socially conservative population. Whilst many young people want dramatic change very quickly there are many others who want change but at a comfortable pace. Plus Iranians have seen the devastating effect of US &amp; Western interference in Iraq &amp; Afghanistan resulting in many more deaths of innocents than in Iran in the aftermath of the elections. I think that most Iranians are probably taking the pragmatic view of &#039;better the devil you know then the one you don&#039;t&#039;. At whatever cost AN&#039;s govt has been able to restore calm, the opposition leaders are still relarively free &amp; able to exercise some of their constitutional rights to campaign &amp; speak freely. Moreover the AN govt has proven astute as well as appearing reasonable in their nuclear negotiations with the US+5 whilst maintaining their right to make up their own mind$ This is not to say that there is no behind the scenes debate &amp; argument on all the fundamentals inc the velayat e faqih concept amongst the religious classes which has historically proven astute in keeping abreast of public opinion and preserving their independence. Unfortunately actions such as that of Oxford University in naming a Chair after Neda Sultan whose circumstances of death are disputed. Why for instance did they not name it after Mohsen Ruhulamin, who was actually a political activist and suffered a calamitous death at the hands of the authorities at the Kahrizak Detention Centre before it was closed down. To date persons responsible for his death have not been brought to justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran like many other Muslim countries has a religiously &amp; socially conservative population. Whilst many young people want dramatic change very quickly there are many others who want change but at a comfortable pace. Plus Iranians have seen the devastating effect of US &amp; Western interference in Iraq &amp; Afghanistan resulting in many more deaths of innocents than in Iran in the aftermath of the elections. I think that most Iranians are probably taking the pragmatic view of &#8216;better the devil you know then the one you don&#8217;t&#8217;. At whatever cost AN&#8217;s govt has been able to restore calm, the opposition leaders are still relarively free &amp; able to exercise some of their constitutional rights to campaign &amp; speak freely. Moreover the AN govt has proven astute as well as appearing reasonable in their nuclear negotiations with the US+5 whilst maintaining their right to make up their own mind$ This is not to say that there is no behind the scenes debate &amp; argument on all the fundamentals inc the velayat e faqih concept amongst the religious classes which has historically proven astute in keeping abreast of public opinion and preserving their independence. Unfortunately actions such as that of Oxford University in naming a Chair after Neda Sultan whose circumstances of death are disputed. Why for instance did they not name it after Mohsen Ruhulamin, who was actually a political activist and suffered a calamitous death at the hands of the authorities at the Kahrizak Detention Centre before it was closed down. To date persons responsible for his death have not been brought to justice.</p>
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