@ Larijani

Perhaps only experts understand, what L. really wants to say, but this translated part reads also in Persian as a warning to radical hardliners. At the beginning of his statement L. tries to convey the image of a concerned and caring SL, just to switch to the usual warnings against “rioters” some paragraphs later, followed by the message “the door is open to all those, who want to correct their behaviour.”
Someone should give him a mirror …

Imho both statements testify to their fear of the people’s turnout on 22 Bahman celebrations. They still have not understood that killing and arresting Ashura mourners and dissidents, turning the country into barracks and tireless threats cannot change the people’s determination to get rid of them.

@ Larijani

Perhaps only experts understand, what L. really wants to say, but this translated part reads also in Persian as a warning to radical hardliners. At the beginning of his statement L. tries to convey the image of a concerned and caring SL, just to switch to the usual warnings against “rioters” some paragraphs later, followed by the message “the door is open to all those, who want to correct their behaviour.”
Someone should give him a mirror …

Imho both statements testify to their fear of the people’s turnout on 22 Bahman celebrations. They still have not understood that killing and arresting Ashura mourners and dissidents, turning the country into barracks and tireless threats cannot change the people’s determination to get rid of them.

The Khamenei warning is probably pointed at the conservative religious figures within the regime.

The way I see it:

There used to be a reformist and a conservative side to IR (prior to 12 June elections). Now as far as Khamenei is concerned, the reformists don’t count as part of the establishment, yet alone “elite”. The reason: almost all the reformists are in jail. The few (Khatami, Mousavi, Karoubi) who are not, are harassed, insulted, attacked and have people close to them killed and you don’t see Khamenei shedding too many tear for them. So he probably sees the reformists as having left the establishment or tricked by others to leave the establishment.

He obviously doesn’t count the people for much either (why else is he using terms like “khavas” and “nokhbegan” all the time?). To him people are those who come out and chant in his support, the rest are either enemy or tricked by the enemy. And those that come out in his support are doing as they are told and as they should. No reason to want them to say something clearly, as they have already carried out their duty quite well.

I think when he is asking the “khavas” (elite) to be more clear in their support for the regime (by which I think he means support for him) he is talking to the conservative clerics with acceptable religious credentials (Grand Ayatollahs and other high ranking clergy). These people have been benefiting from the IR system and SL’s generosity (in making payments to them or allowing their relatives to pursue profitable business) and kindness (by leaving them alone). And Khamenei is now saying that it is payback time (bit like the Godfather), you have benefited from me and the system and the system and I need you, so stop playing around that condemn the protestors. He knows that with strong backing for him and strong condemnation of the protestors he will have a better chance of using violence against the protest. At the moment the violence that has been used has cost IR and SL a lot (more than anything else). SL is dangerously close to looking like Yazid 1400 years ago. He wants the backing to gain a little religious legitimacy.

Rafsanjani is probably included in the “khavas” that Khamenei is talking about, but it is not about him. It is about all the conservative clerics. These people have either been quiet over the past 7-8 months or have made ambiguous statements (supporting the regime, followed by a but…. what about the people, or the violence is not good, etc). He seems to be telling them that the regime’s authority may be undermined on 22 Bahman if they do not step up now. And he is also threatening them and giving them until then to make their statements.

I think Khamenei knows that as time passes more of these “khavas” will desert him. There will come a time that if they were to take sides, most will end up lining up against Khamenei. He is calling in the favors while there is chance that he’ll get good reviews from the “khavas”.

Mind his recent speech does not do his authority much good. If he is the valiyeh faghih (in essence the most senior of all Islamic figures in the world) and if the protests are nothing more than a few misguided people making minor trouble and if the election is over (as he has claimed many times since June) then why does he need to recommendation from these lesser people?

The Khamenei warning is probably pointed at the conservative religious figures within the regime.

The way I see it:

There used to be a reformist and a conservative side to IR (prior to 12 June elections). Now as far as Khamenei is concerned, the reformists don’t count as part of the establishment, yet alone “elite”. The reason: almost all the reformists are in jail. The few (Khatami, Mousavi, Karoubi) who are not, are harassed, insulted, attacked and have people close to them killed and you don’t see Khamenei shedding too many tear for them. So he probably sees the reformists as having left the establishment or tricked by others to leave the establishment.

He obviously doesn’t count the people for much either (why else is he using terms like “khavas” and “nokhbegan” all the time?). To him people are those who come out and chant in his support, the rest are either enemy or tricked by the enemy. And those that come out in his support are doing as they are told and as they should. No reason to want them to say something clearly, as they have already carried out their duty quite well.

I think when he is asking the “khavas” (elite) to be more clear in their support for the regime (by which I think he means support for him) he is talking to the conservative clerics with acceptable religious credentials (Grand Ayatollahs and other high ranking clergy). These people have been benefiting from the IR system and SL’s generosity (in making payments to them or allowing their relatives to pursue profitable business) and kindness (by leaving them alone). And Khamenei is now saying that it is payback time (bit like the Godfather), you have benefited from me and the system and the system and I need you, so stop playing around that condemn the protestors. He knows that with strong backing for him and strong condemnation of the protestors he will have a better chance of using violence against the protest. At the moment the violence that has been used has cost IR and SL a lot (more than anything else). SL is dangerously close to looking like Yazid 1400 years ago. He wants the backing to gain a little religious legitimacy.

Rafsanjani is probably included in the “khavas” that Khamenei is talking about, but it is not about him. It is about all the conservative clerics. These people have either been quiet over the past 7-8 months or have made ambiguous statements (supporting the regime, followed by a but…. what about the people, or the violence is not good, etc). He seems to be telling them that the regime’s authority may be undermined on 22 Bahman if they do not step up now. And he is also threatening them and giving them until then to make their statements.

I think Khamenei knows that as time passes more of these “khavas” will desert him. There will come a time that if they were to take sides, most will end up lining up against Khamenei. He is calling in the favors while there is chance that he’ll get good reviews from the “khavas”.

Mind his recent speech does not do his authority much good. If he is the valiyeh faghih (in essence the most senior of all Islamic figures in the world) and if the protests are nothing more than a few misguided people making minor trouble and if the election is over (as he has claimed many times since June) then why does he need to recommendation from these lesser people?

Meanwhile, in the real world

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100120/wl_mideast_afp/iraneconomymoneyrial

Barry

Meanwhile, in the real world

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100120/wl_mideast_afp/iraneconomymoneyrial

Barry

Greeny
I love your analysis ! and what do you think ? will these “khavas” people accept to follow him ?? and then he will continue the massacre in the name of god ?? !! oh my god, I hope that your response is “no”, they won’t ! in the name of God they won’t.

Greeny
I love your analysis ! and what do you think ? will these “khavas” people accept to follow him ?? and then he will continue the massacre in the name of god ?? !! oh my god, I hope that your response is “no”, they won’t ! in the name of God they won’t.

No 2. The Persian cannot insult Islam with Velayate Fagih-this is crypto-Persian nonsense-not even the minority of Arab Shiites believe in this concept that is steeped in Persian pre-Islamic Authoritarianism. Maybe No 4 is right-and that the Persians will no longer listen to their “Supreme leader” ?

No 2. The Persian cannot insult Islam with Velayate Fagih-this is crypto-Persian nonsense-not even the minority of Arab Shiites believe in this concept that is steeped in Persian pre-Islamic Authoritarianism. Maybe No 4 is right-and that the Persians will no longer listen to their “Supreme leader” ?

Plastic Bertrand

You are new here – and I am trying to figure out just what your belief is?

It sounds to me like you are Arab – possibly Sunni?
You seem to me to use the word “Persian” as some kind of “insult”?
You appear to be anti-Iran Regime – but also anti-Iranian people??

I may be wrong in all my assessments so far – so please further enlighten us.

Barry ( who is neither Christian, Muslim, Persian, Arab, American, English or Eskimo)

Plastic Bertrand

You are new here – and I am trying to figure out just what your belief is?

It sounds to me like you are Arab – possibly Sunni?
You seem to me to use the word “Persian” as some kind of “insult”?
You appear to be anti-Iran Regime – but also anti-Iranian people??

I may be wrong in all my assessments so far – so please further enlighten us.

Barry ( who is neither Christian, Muslim, Persian, Arab, American, English or Eskimo)

Barry-I am only trying to focus on the reality-1. The Persian is facing payback-divine come uppance for all the mischiif it has caused on the Arab family since the 1970 s. I can list all the countries where it has tried like mosquitos to create disease-without success.2. Persian is not an insult-it is the name of the people. 3. I am not anti-regime -I do not care for any of them-but anti- Persian meddling in Arab affairs that do not concern them. 4. I am interested in the events that are occuring in the Persian heartland now for all the above.

Barry-I am only trying to focus on the reality-1. The Persian is facing payback-divine come uppance for all the mischiif it has caused on the Arab family since the 1970 s. I can list all the countries where it has tried like mosquitos to create disease-without success.2. Persian is not an insult-it is the name of the people. 3. I am not anti-regime -I do not care for any of them-but anti- Persian meddling in Arab affairs that do not concern them. 4. I am interested in the events that are occuring in the Persian heartland now for all the above.

ange paris,

I think they will try to suppress people by violent means. They really don’t have much of a choice. If you were to put yourself in SL’s place, what else would you be able to do?
For 20 years he has been saying that we have the best and most powerful regime in the world.
And for 8 months now he has been saying that election is over (so far Khamenei has spent 16% of the time of the tenth government saying that the election is over) and he is forced to repeat this over and over again.
And back on 29 Khordad he told the people that they will be dealt with severely and Mousavi will be blamed for it (we’re not even going to talk about the election fraud, the financial fraud of the past 20 years, the chain murders, 18 Tir, etc) .
Then his forces killed, raped, tortured and beat people and jailed thousands. And still he has not been able to stamp his authority.
And in the meantime he has burnt a lot of bridges.
He is unable to force his way forward and has left no room for himself to move back. He keeps on saying that he won’t budge, while he has nowhere to budge to.
In this process he has gathered around him people who only know how to use violence and insults. They have no other skills.
And he has pushed away others who might have been able to help him manage the situation through other means.
All this has created a situation that even a slight opening will be taken by the people and his own supporters as the beginning of capitulation (look at the way people are talking about the recent discussions on IRIB TV).
So he has no option but to try to use force and to threaten more violence.
I think there are problems with this plan:
Well violence has not stopped people from protesting and has in fact helped push more people from the conservative side of the regime to the reformist side and has caused a lot of people to become anti regime.
Who will be carrying out all the new violence? The police who seemed to have given up soon after the protest started and actually capitulated completely in parts of Tehran on Ashura? Sepah? With what forces? Basij? Which seems to have melted away in the recent months. Or the hired thugs?
Also back on 19 June when he threatened people with violence, he said that if anyone were to be hurt, it would be Mousavi’s fault. So he is scared of the consequences of using violence (he did the same thing after 18 Tir when he cried on TV and said that all students are like his own children and should not be harmed; then as now he was worried about taking responsibility for the violence we was ordering).
I am starting to think that he might be worried about the next Majles Khobregan meeting in March and probably worried that some Sepah commanders might be starting to think that it might be better if they pushed him aside and tried to make peace with the people themselves.
I don’t know if the khavas will say anything. But even if they do, the fact that he has had to almost beg them and at the same time threaten them to get the recoms, he will not be able use any of it to his advantage.

ange paris,

I think they will try to suppress people by violent means. They really don’t have much of a choice. If you were to put yourself in SL’s place, what else would you be able to do?
For 20 years he has been saying that we have the best and most powerful regime in the world.
And for 8 months now he has been saying that election is over (so far Khamenei has spent 16% of the time of the tenth government saying that the election is over) and he is forced to repeat this over and over again.
And back on 29 Khordad he told the people that they will be dealt with severely and Mousavi will be blamed for it (we’re not even going to talk about the election fraud, the financial fraud of the past 20 years, the chain murders, 18 Tir, etc) .
Then his forces killed, raped, tortured and beat people and jailed thousands. And still he has not been able to stamp his authority.
And in the meantime he has burnt a lot of bridges.
He is unable to force his way forward and has left no room for himself to move back. He keeps on saying that he won’t budge, while he has nowhere to budge to.
In this process he has gathered around him people who only know how to use violence and insults. They have no other skills.
And he has pushed away others who might have been able to help him manage the situation through other means.
All this has created a situation that even a slight opening will be taken by the people and his own supporters as the beginning of capitulation (look at the way people are talking about the recent discussions on IRIB TV).
So he has no option but to try to use force and to threaten more violence.
I think there are problems with this plan:
Well violence has not stopped people from protesting and has in fact helped push more people from the conservative side of the regime to the reformist side and has caused a lot of people to become anti regime.
Who will be carrying out all the new violence? The police who seemed to have given up soon after the protest started and actually capitulated completely in parts of Tehran on Ashura? Sepah? With what forces? Basij? Which seems to have melted away in the recent months. Or the hired thugs?
Also back on 19 June when he threatened people with violence, he said that if anyone were to be hurt, it would be Mousavi’s fault. So he is scared of the consequences of using violence (he did the same thing after 18 Tir when he cried on TV and said that all students are like his own children and should not be harmed; then as now he was worried about taking responsibility for the violence we was ordering).
I am starting to think that he might be worried about the next Majles Khobregan meeting in March and probably worried that some Sepah commanders might be starting to think that it might be better if they pushed him aside and tried to make peace with the people themselves.
I don’t know if the khavas will say anything. But even if they do, the fact that he has had to almost beg them and at the same time threaten them to get the recoms, he will not be able use any of it to his advantage.

Plastic Bertrand

OK. There are some things that we can agree upon – I agree with you that the Islamic Republic of Iran is and has been a negative influence on the whole world since 1979. You will notice that I use the name of the State, and not the word “Persian”. There are some Arab States that I believe are also responsible for some bad things – but if I were to name them, then I would tell you the name of the State and not just say “the Arabs”

I know people who have been to Egypt for holidays and they came back and commented greatly on the friendliness of the people – I also know some Iranian people who live in my country and they also are very nice people.

Probably most peoples in the world are quite nice – and some are very lucky to be able to choose their own Government to represent them and look after them. However the people of some other countries eg some Arab countries and Iran do not have this good fortune. It is hardly fair then to blame the people of those countries for the decisions of their Governments.

Also, the country of Iran are not on “Persians” – there are a number of minority ethnic groups living in Iran.

Barry

Plastic Bertrand

OK. There are some things that we can agree upon – I agree with you that the Islamic Republic of Iran is and has been a negative influence on the whole world since 1979. You will notice that I use the name of the State, and not the word “Persian”. There are some Arab States that I believe are also responsible for some bad things – but if I were to name them, then I would tell you the name of the State and not just say “the Arabs”

I know people who have been to Egypt for holidays and they came back and commented greatly on the friendliness of the people – I also know some Iranian people who live in my country and they also are very nice people.

Probably most peoples in the world are quite nice – and some are very lucky to be able to choose their own Government to represent them and look after them. However the people of some other countries eg some Arab countries and Iran do not have this good fortune. It is hardly fair then to blame the people of those countries for the decisions of their Governments.

Also, the country of Iran are not on “Persians” – there are a number of minority ethnic groups living in Iran.

Barry

It would also help if the US became a democracy and not some scared third rate paraoid warmonger in irreversible decline. How about commenting on Islamophobia, racism and police state in AmeriKKKa. I think taking care of business closer to home is better than commenting on Iran a country which most of your readers could not even find on a map. How about China’s rise as the only superpower ands holding $3 trillion in Forex reserves while the US warmongers spend $600,000 a minute on lost wars. How about 30-50 million unemployed and underemployed, how about 66 million lacking even basic health care, how about commenting on 10 million hungry children, 3 million home foreclosues. How about rising racism and anti-immigration violence. Didn’t an incident take place in Binghamton just a few months ago. Spending so much time and wasted effort on Iran while US itself goes down the tubes is quite delusional. How about Zionist atrocities in Gaza including organ harvesting of children. Reality is very sad indeed.

It would also help if the US became a democracy and not some scared third rate paraoid warmonger in irreversible decline. How about commenting on Islamophobia, racism and police state in AmeriKKKa. I think taking care of business closer to home is better than commenting on Iran a country which most of your readers could not even find on a map. How about China’s rise as the only superpower ands holding $3 trillion in Forex reserves while the US warmongers spend $600,000 a minute on lost wars. How about 30-50 million unemployed and underemployed, how about 66 million lacking even basic health care, how about commenting on 10 million hungry children, 3 million home foreclosues. How about rising racism and anti-immigration violence. Didn’t an incident take place in Binghamton just a few months ago. Spending so much time and wasted effort on Iran while US itself goes down the tubes is quite delusional. How about Zionist atrocities in Gaza including organ harvesting of children. Reality is very sad indeed.

Reality Check

Nobody said that the US is perfect! :)

Besides – we don’t really need to try to get regime change in the US because they do that themselves. It was a big shock about that Republican Senator’s victory in Massachusetts, wasn’t it! Don’t you just love Democracy! :)

No – it is much more of a challenge to get Regime change in Iran, and more worthwhile too.

Barry

Reality Check

Nobody said that the US is perfect! :)

Besides – we don’t really need to try to get regime change in the US because they do that themselves. It was a big shock about that Republican Senator’s victory in Massachusetts, wasn’t it! Don’t you just love Democracy! :)

No – it is much more of a challenge to get Regime change in Iran, and more worthwhile too.

Barry

I have to agree with you on that. Last night’s Democratic defeat in Mass is good omen of regime change to come. Health reform is dead, the foreign policy is stuck in Bush mode and the world is moving on. I think Iran will reform from within and not without. Cheers Barry you are civilized guy unlike many who just get excited.

I have to agree with you on that. Last night’s Democratic defeat in Mass is good omen of regime change to come. Health reform is dead, the foreign policy is stuck in Bush mode and the world is moving on. I think Iran will reform from within and not without. Cheers Barry you are civilized guy unlike many who just get excited.

Barry ref comment 9 the persians have been meddling with the Arab World since the 1970s with Pahlavi. They are all the same and cannot be trusted with their delusional ideas. They should feed their people first beyond Teheran and Isfahan-they have over reached themselves and should stop meddling with the Arab Nation-but then maybe the Baaths need persuading by their fellow Arabs to put a halt to this Persian nonsense cloaked in superstition and apostate beliefs such as using portraits(forbidden in Islam) of Ali.

Barry ref comment 9 the persians have been meddling with the Arab World since the 1970s with Pahlavi. They are all the same and cannot be trusted with their delusional ideas. They should feed their people first beyond Teheran and Isfahan-they have over reached themselves and should stop meddling with the Arab Nation-but then maybe the Baaths need persuading by their fellow Arabs to put a halt to this Persian nonsense cloaked in superstition and apostate beliefs such as using portraits(forbidden in Islam) of Ali.

Plastic Bertrand

Thanks for your thoughts. I am afraid that most of what you have just said is beyond my experience and knowledge – so I cannot comment further, except that I think I hear Sunni/Shia differences/hatred.

For me, I despair at all institutionalized religions. Once upon a time, many many thousands of year ago, men/women looked to the skies and wondered what it was all about. Shortly after that, the Shamans/Medicine men/Priests/Mullahs got involved, realized how powerful and rich this basic instinct of humankind could make them, institutionalized some rituals and thereafter prostituted the original and natural spirituality of humankind.

A pox on all their houses!!! Christian – Islamic – etc!

Barry

Plastic Bertrand

Thanks for your thoughts. I am afraid that most of what you have just said is beyond my experience and knowledge – so I cannot comment further, except that I think I hear Sunni/Shia differences/hatred.

For me, I despair at all institutionalized religions. Once upon a time, many many thousands of year ago, men/women looked to the skies and wondered what it was all about. Shortly after that, the Shamans/Medicine men/Priests/Mullahs got involved, realized how powerful and rich this basic instinct of humankind could make them, institutionalized some rituals and thereafter prostituted the original and natural spirituality of humankind.

A pox on all their houses!!! Christian – Islamic – etc!

Barry

Barry it is not sunni/shiite hatred-it is being fed up of Persian meddling . The shiites of the Arab world are Arab first-so this goes beyond religion. The Persians since Pahlavi have caused nothing but trouble in the Arabian Gulf,Palestine,Lebanon, Oman,Eastern provinces of the Kingdom, Yemen and Iraq. Time for them to crawl back to before Pahalvi’s era when they did not bother us.

Barry it is not sunni/shiite hatred-it is being fed up of Persian meddling . The shiites of the Arab world are Arab first-so this goes beyond religion. The Persians since Pahlavi have caused nothing but trouble in the Arabian Gulf,Palestine,Lebanon, Oman,Eastern provinces of the Kingdom, Yemen and Iraq. Time for them to crawl back to before Pahalvi’s era when they did not bother us.

…I also forget Bahrain a,Qatar, and our Islands in the Gulf which they are still occupying.They need to feed their people before meddling.

…I also forget Bahrain a,Qatar, and our Islands in the Gulf which they are still occupying.They need to feed their people before meddling.

I must have snoozed through the diem! WHEN DID THE PERSIAN GULF BECOME ARABIAN GULF?

I must have snoozed through the diem! WHEN DID THE PERSIAN GULF BECOME ARABIAN GULF?

Go to any Arab country and it will be called ARABIAN GULF-We are dealing with today s correct geographic name not on some PERSIAN notion form 2,500 years ago. There are more Arab countries that are in the gulf than Perisan(only 1 ).

Go to any Arab country and it will be called ARABIAN GULF-We are dealing with today s correct geographic name not on some PERSIAN notion form 2,500 years ago. There are more Arab countries that are in the gulf than Perisan(only 1 ).

I was not aware that you were now personally nominated as the Persian Gulf name changer. Besides your other ignorance, Persian Gulf, Arab petro-pimpdoms combined have a population less than GREATER TEHRAN. Most have large South Asian, European and other expat and labor communities. Even the corrupt puppet House of Saud has less than 6 million native Bedouins. Dubai alone has over 500,000 Iranians. I believe thou post too much crap for the naive and gulliable American audience. You are not one of my failing Arab students on a state subsidized “scholarship” are you?

I was not aware that you were now personally nominated as the Persian Gulf name changer. Besides your other ignorance, Persian Gulf, Arab petro-pimpdoms combined have a population less than GREATER TEHRAN. Most have large South Asian, European and other expat and labor communities. Even the corrupt puppet House of Saud has less than 6 million native Bedouins. Dubai alone has over 500,000 Iranians. I believe thou post too much crap for the naive and gulliable American audience. You are not one of my failing Arab students on a state subsidized “scholarship” are you?

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Carpe Diem-At least we can afford to pay for expats. The Arab World combined is i excess of 150 million from Morrocco to Iraq. Dubai does NOT have 500,000 Persian residents more like 300,00 and without the re-export due to your inefficient economy-bring nothing but trouble for the Emirates-drugs,smuggling and Prostitution-the jails are full of Iranians. With any luck Abu Dhabi will try and impose far less leinent policy towards Persians residet or visiting Dubai. So before your feeble attempt and insulting my bretherns in the Gulf-who cares about Teheran ! Dirty,Polluted,Over Populated,miserable and ugly-the ENTIRE ARAB POPULATION EXCEEDS BY A VAST MARGIN OF ALMOST 3-1 OVER THE PERSIANS.So thanks to our prestige,clout,international standing it is and will remain the ARABIAN GULF. If you were a “teacher” I feel that I would have to guide you to the harsh reality instead of your cooked up, out of touch histronics about all things Persian.

Carpe Diem-At least we can afford to pay for expats. The Arab World combined is i excess of 150 million from Morrocco to Iraq. Dubai does NOT have 500,000 Persian residents more like 300,00 and without the re-export due to your inefficient economy-bring nothing but trouble for the Emirates-drugs,smuggling and Prostitution-the jails are full of Iranians. With any luck Abu Dhabi will try and impose far less leinent policy towards Persians residet or visiting Dubai. So before your feeble attempt and insulting my bretherns in the Gulf-who cares about Teheran ! Dirty,Polluted,Over Populated,miserable and ugly-the ENTIRE ARAB POPULATION EXCEEDS BY A VAST MARGIN OF ALMOST 3-1 OVER THE PERSIANS.So thanks to our prestige,clout,international standing it is and will remain the ARABIAN GULF. If you were a “teacher” I feel that I would have to guide you to the harsh reality instead of your cooked up, out of touch histronics about all things Persian.

Looks like Mr. Bertrand here has grown some nazi-like hate feelings. Blaming all the arab problems on the Iranian people as an excuse to belittle them and call them names.

“So thanks to our prestige,clout,international standing it is and will remain the ARABIAN GULF.”

So just because there’s more of you, doesn’t mean it has to be named after you. You yourself invalidated your earlier point with this previous comment. There may be more arab countries on the gulf, but Iran has the largest amount of coastline on the gulf. That’s more reason to name it after a country.

Looks like Mr. Bertrand here has grown some nazi-like hate feelings. Blaming all the arab problems on the Iranian people as an excuse to belittle them and call them names.

“So thanks to our prestige,clout,international standing it is and will remain the ARABIAN GULF.”

So just because there’s more of you, doesn’t mean it has to be named after you. You yourself invalidated your earlier point with this previous comment. There may be more arab countries on the gulf, but Iran has the largest amount of coastline on the gulf. That’s more reason to name it after a country.

I am sorry but you are a total failure and a drama queen to boot. The “Arab world” hates the Khaleeji pimps who are lazy, corrupt and uneducated like yourself. They hire foreighers to do all the work. The Pakistanis even fly the junk jets the Al-Nahyan pimps have bought from the US. They import Asian children as camel jockeys and abuse the foreign workers. Without US support the rest of the abused Arabs, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese etc would throw these corrupt Persian Gulf pimpdoms into the sea. The “150 million Arabs” you are talking about (the real number is over 300 million as Egypt alone is 85 million, and then Algeria etc) hate each other. What have the Arabs done for the Palestinians as the Zionists kill them in Gaza everyday. You are no Arab youself and just an idiotic imposter trying to get attention without knowing even basic facts. Now go enrol in a Mid-East for dummies class.

I am sorry but you are a total failure and a drama queen to boot. The “Arab world” hates the Khaleeji pimps who are lazy, corrupt and uneducated like yourself. They hire foreighers to do all the work. The Pakistanis even fly the junk jets the Al-Nahyan pimps have bought from the US. They import Asian children as camel jockeys and abuse the foreign workers. Without US support the rest of the abused Arabs, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese etc would throw these corrupt Persian Gulf pimpdoms into the sea. The “150 million Arabs” you are talking about (the real number is over 300 million as Egypt alone is 85 million, and then Algeria etc) hate each other. What have the Arabs done for the Palestinians as the Zionists kill them in Gaza everyday. You are no Arab youself and just an idiotic imposter trying to get attention without knowing even basic facts. Now go enrol in a Mid-East for dummies class.

OH dear – look what we have started!!! :)

Anyway, you all probably didn’t notice – but a few days ago, I renamed the Gulf as the US 5th Fleet Gulf. I named it after the most powerful force in the region.

Google hasn’t gotten around to changing the name on their maps yet. :)

Barry

OH dear – look what we have started!!! :)

Anyway, you all probably didn’t notice – but a few days ago, I renamed the Gulf as the US 5th Fleet Gulf. I named it after the most powerful force in the region.

Google hasn’t gotten around to changing the name on their maps yet. :)

Barry

Thank you for putting him/her in his/her place Carpe Diem.

This thread is for Iranians abroad who are concerned about the state of their nation, we really don’t care for nor have the time to deal with pointless bickering with someone who is no better than a “shitdisturber”.

Thank you for putting him/her in his/her place Carpe Diem.

This thread is for Iranians abroad who are concerned about the state of their nation, we really don’t care for nor have the time to deal with pointless bickering with someone who is no better than a “shitdisturber”.

@ DC. No problem. We are all Iranians and that is my attitude, even though we disagree on some issues. I am tired of people picking on Iran for everything. We may not be perfect, but we are an ancient civilization that has contributed tremendously to civilization. Like all nations we have gone through ups and downs and we live in a tough neighborhood. Take care and always stand up for Iran.

@ DC. No problem. We are all Iranians and that is my attitude, even though we disagree on some issues. I am tired of people picking on Iran for everything. We may not be perfect, but we are an ancient civilization that has contributed tremendously to civilization. Like all nations we have gone through ups and downs and we live in a tough neighborhood. Take care and always stand up for Iran.

Plastic Berttand,

I asked you in the other thread if you were Iranians. No need to answer. I now know who you are. You are a hatemonger with a lot of rage. Who has done you wrong?? Did you not get paid by Iran Regime for what you did in streets of Iran?? Well, that should teach you a lesson….

Plastic Berttand,

I asked you in the other thread if you were Iranians. No need to answer. I now know who you are. You are a hatemonger with a lot of rage. Who has done you wrong?? Did you not get paid by Iran Regime for what you did in streets of Iran?? Well, that should teach you a lesson….

Megan

He sure is not this Plastic Bertrand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Bertrand

Barry

Megan

He sure is not this Plastic Bertrand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Bertrand

Barry

@Barry

I’m still trying to figure out if that’s a good thing or a bad thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PITnJAnmjqw

@Barry

I’m still trying to figure out if that’s a good thing or a bad thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PITnJAnmjqw

HEY!!! I just realized!!! I used to like that song in the 70’s. Still do.

Barry

HEY!!! I just realized!!! I used to like that song in the 70’s. Still do.

Barry

Greeny,

Thank you very much for your analyses, especially in #2 and #8.
As to your comments on the Sepah reactions in the latter, there are already some signs of discontent, e.g. the open critique of former IRGC commander Rahim Safavi in Isfahan last week. In addition all the reshuffles in the Sepah and judiciary during the past months must have stirred the anger of many influential groups and factions within the system, which is in no way unified, but always lived on a delicate balance of powers, progressively undermined by AN and the SL.
And then, what does it say to you, when Khamenei gives orders to the press to denominate him as an “Imam”? Or when he is depicted as receiving his orders from the Mahdi? I am no expert, but both must arouse the anger of conservative clerics, who certainly note the rapid dissolution of religious values and esteem.
Attacking the Jamaran mosque on Tassua is another example of unforgivable aggression, violating this holy day and Khomeini’s mosque. The same goes for all the insults and raids against moderate clerics, such as ayatollah Sane’i or Dastgheib, which prove that even renowned peers are not spared.
The SL and AN are suffering from a heavy loss of reality, unfortunately it is the Iranian people, which has to pay the price for them.

Greeny,

Thank you very much for your analyses, especially in #2 and #8.
As to your comments on the Sepah reactions in the latter, there are already some signs of discontent, e.g. the open critique of former IRGC commander Rahim Safavi in Isfahan last week. In addition all the reshuffles in the Sepah and judiciary during the past months must have stirred the anger of many influential groups and factions within the system, which is in no way unified, but always lived on a delicate balance of powers, progressively undermined by AN and the SL.
And then, what does it say to you, when Khamenei gives orders to the press to denominate him as an “Imam”? Or when he is depicted as receiving his orders from the Mahdi? I am no expert, but both must arouse the anger of conservative clerics, who certainly note the rapid dissolution of religious values and esteem.
Attacking the Jamaran mosque on Tassua is another example of unforgivable aggression, violating this holy day and Khomeini’s mosque. The same goes for all the insults and raids against moderate clerics, such as ayatollah Sane’i or Dastgheib, which prove that even renowned peers are not spared.
The SL and AN are suffering from a heavy loss of reality, unfortunately it is the Iranian people, which has to pay the price for them.

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23. Carpe Diem-You are far from any expert on Arab affairs-so if you do not know-then do not act is if you do like a hysterical Drama Queen.

1. The Arab Air force is not composed only of the U.A.E’S-THAT IS NO BAROMETER-and so what if this particular staTte employs Pakistaniis-in fact they employ ARAB PILOTS. You are totally wrong there.

2. There are no “abused” arabs in the U.A.E ! What are you talking about ! You know nothing but hang on to folklore. There are many successful entrepreneurs, lawyers,Bankers, heads of Advertsing Agencies that ARE from Egypt, Mashreq, and North Africa in the U.A.E-none of them are abused. 3.You are right the figure of the arab world is 300 million plus but I noted this earlier by saying that Arabs are 3 -1 more numerous than Persians. So apart from your basic numerate calculation you clearly know nothing about the Arab reality and world. Does not surprise me. So quit calling me names and only focusing your warped notions on only THE U.A.E !.

3. The Arab coastline D.C strettches as far as the Persian on the Arabian Gulf.

4. Comment 27.Megan-Yes,I am enraged by Persian activity in Iraq-they meddle and create havoc like cockroaches. Your regime can barely afford to pay for Hizbullah so no, I did not get paid to go on your streets-have no interest in them anyway.

I will leave my final comment on this thread to “Carpe Diem” as you contiually try to personalise this by throwing cheap shots at me-do not bother as you yourself need to enrol on a basic Introduction to the Middle East 101 class as you may know a lot about Persians but it appears nothing about the Arabs. And DC I have no Nazi -like feelings so do away with your insults.

23. Carpe Diem-You are far from any expert on Arab affairs-so if you do not know-then do not act is if you do like a hysterical Drama Queen.

1. The Arab Air force is not composed only of the U.A.E’S-THAT IS NO BAROMETER-and so what if this particular staTte employs Pakistaniis-in fact they employ ARAB PILOTS. You are totally wrong there.

2. There are no “abused” arabs in the U.A.E ! What are you talking about ! You know nothing but hang on to folklore. There are many successful entrepreneurs, lawyers,Bankers, heads of Advertsing Agencies that ARE from Egypt, Mashreq, and North Africa in the U.A.E-none of them are abused. 3.You are right the figure of the arab world is 300 million plus but I noted this earlier by saying that Arabs are 3 -1 more numerous than Persians. So apart from your basic numerate calculation you clearly know nothing about the Arab reality and world. Does not surprise me. So quit calling me names and only focusing your warped notions on only THE U.A.E !.

3. The Arab coastline D.C strettches as far as the Persian on the Arabian Gulf.

4. Comment 27.Megan-Yes,I am enraged by Persian activity in Iraq-they meddle and create havoc like cockroaches. Your regime can barely afford to pay for Hizbullah so no, I did not get paid to go on your streets-have no interest in them anyway.

I will leave my final comment on this thread to “Carpe Diem” as you contiually try to personalise this by throwing cheap shots at me-do not bother as you yourself need to enrol on a basic Introduction to the Middle East 101 class as you may know a lot about Persians but it appears nothing about the Arabs. And DC I have no Nazi -like feelings so do away with your insults.

It is so promising to see that It sufficed to have a Saddam nostalgic racist
with an inferiority complex among us ,
for Megan and Carpe Diem to be on the same side ; )
So all hopes of unity are not lost .

It is so promising to see that It sufficed to have a Saddam nostalgic racist
with an inferiority complex among us ,
for Megan and Carpe Diem to be on the same side ; )
So all hopes of unity are not lost .

Peace Maker-SADDAM is and remains a great fallen soldier for many Arabs. So do not use his memory as an attempt to belittle him. “INFERIORITY COMPLEX AMONG US”-My Comment-LOL- what exactly is there a complex about ??? Look at Persia today and look at the Arab World today-not 50 years, 10 years ago or 2,500 years ago. Those are tired analogies. Where are you now ? Who cares-believe me if you stopped trouble making then no one would bother with you.

Peace Maker-SADDAM is and remains a great fallen soldier for many Arabs. So do not use his memory as an attempt to belittle him. “INFERIORITY COMPLEX AMONG US”-My Comment-LOL- what exactly is there a complex about ??? Look at Persia today and look at the Arab World today-not 50 years, 10 years ago or 2,500 years ago. Those are tired analogies. Where are you now ? Who cares-believe me if you stopped trouble making then no one would bother with you.

Peace Maker,

Plastic Bertrand is Khamenei’s agent! His mission was to test Rev. Magdalen foreign war theory and report back his findings!!!!

Well, here is my message to Supreme Loony and his agent Plastic Bertrand, the Cyber Taliban:

Persians are proud of their heritage and their history and will not sit quite in the face of insults by a hatemongering loser like Plastic Bertrand. But Khamenei is senile if he believes Greens will unite with his Basiji and IRG dogs. And he is loonier than ever if he thinks Iranians will stand with him anymore war or not. He and Islamic Rubbish Republic are like a ticking bomb. The countdown started the day he ordered to rig 2009 election. No sane person will stand next to a ticking bomb.

Peace Maker, I will never be on the same side with people (not even if they are my family members) who support and defend this rotten criminal IR regime that has terrorized and brutalized Iranians for 31 years; a regime whose foot soldiers and actors are no different that Mr. Taliban, Plastic Bertrand.

I am wondering if Samuel, Observer, M.S., Reality Check aka Fantasy Check aka Carpe Dime (who changes name more often than Khamenei changes his underwear), and few others on this blog are not all one person who uses multiple PCs in different locations to give the impression that they are many. And frankly I do not give hill of beans if they are one or one million. Their time in the sun has passed. Their talking points are repetitive and nauseating. These Cyber Basiji are on IR payroll to wage a propaganda war. They think their rubbish will weaken our resolve. They can dream on. Some of these Cyber Basiji could very well be offspring or relatives of mullahs who stand to lose much too much and are fighting to keep the stolen money in the family.

Peace Maker,

Plastic Bertrand is Khamenei’s agent! His mission was to test Rev. Magdalen foreign war theory and report back his findings!!!!

Well, here is my message to Supreme Loony and his agent Plastic Bertrand, the Cyber Taliban:

Persians are proud of their heritage and their history and will not sit quite in the face of insults by a hatemongering loser like Plastic Bertrand. But Khamenei is senile if he believes Greens will unite with his Basiji and IRG dogs. And he is loonier than ever if he thinks Iranians will stand with him anymore war or not. He and Islamic Rubbish Republic are like a ticking bomb. The countdown started the day he ordered to rig 2009 election. No sane person will stand next to a ticking bomb.

Peace Maker, I will never be on the same side with people (not even if they are my family members) who support and defend this rotten criminal IR regime that has terrorized and brutalized Iranians for 31 years; a regime whose foot soldiers and actors are no different that Mr. Taliban, Plastic Bertrand.

I am wondering if Samuel, Observer, M.S., Reality Check aka Fantasy Check aka Carpe Dime (who changes name more often than Khamenei changes his underwear), and few others on this blog are not all one person who uses multiple PCs in different locations to give the impression that they are many. And frankly I do not give hill of beans if they are one or one million. Their time in the sun has passed. Their talking points are repetitive and nauseating. These Cyber Basiji are on IR payroll to wage a propaganda war. They think their rubbish will weaken our resolve. They can dream on. Some of these Cyber Basiji could very well be offspring or relatives of mullahs who stand to lose much too much and are fighting to keep the stolen money in the family.

megan-I AM NO AGENT OF ANY PERSIAN ! Surely you have enough intelligence to have read through what I am saying ?-I do not like Persians for all the mischief they have caused since the 1970 ’s . Please fight amongst yourselves for whatever you want for your country-good luck- just keep away from Iraq and the Arabian gulf-once and for all

megan-I AM NO AGENT OF ANY PERSIAN ! Surely you have enough intelligence to have read through what I am saying ?-I do not like Persians for all the mischief they have caused since the 1970 ’s . Please fight amongst yourselves for whatever you want for your country-good luck- just keep away from Iraq and the Arabian gulf-once and for all

plastic man,

khamenei is descended from azeri turks in the paternal line so i’m not sure how far he qualifies as ‘persian’.

why do you use the ethnic term ‘persian’ when you mean iranian? ‘persian’ would be more appropriate for 14th century poets, carpets and cats.

i think you’re on the wrong site for the level of debate you seem to be after – may i politely suggest you try youtube instead.

plastic man,

khamenei is descended from azeri turks in the paternal line so i’m not sure how far he qualifies as ‘persian’.

why do you use the ethnic term ‘persian’ when you mean iranian? ‘persian’ would be more appropriate for 14th century poets, carpets and cats.

i think you’re on the wrong site for the level of debate you seem to be after – may i politely suggest you try youtube instead.

Plastic Bertrand,

We did not start a conversation with you. You did. Other readers told you on EA blog and threads related to Iran, Iranians and non-Iranians who care about struggle of Iranians for democracy discuss and debate daily events in Iran. You injected yourself into our conversation and from your very first post you started insulating us. I will not sit quite and will return the favor. Please stop looking for a fight in the Cyber space or you will get one.

You do not see Iranians on other threads in this blog that are related to other topics in Middle East including Arab in Palestine injecting themselves for the purpose of insulting Arabs or Turks or any other nation. That should tell a lot about who is and who is not civil and civilized.

Please stop making a fool of yourself. Iranians these days have enough fools in their own country to deal with. They do not need to deal with your rage and your hate. Go and see a doctor dude. We cannot help you.

Plastic Bertrand,

We did not start a conversation with you. You did. Other readers told you on EA blog and threads related to Iran, Iranians and non-Iranians who care about struggle of Iranians for democracy discuss and debate daily events in Iran. You injected yourself into our conversation and from your very first post you started insulating us. I will not sit quite and will return the favor. Please stop looking for a fight in the Cyber space or you will get one.

You do not see Iranians on other threads in this blog that are related to other topics in Middle East including Arab in Palestine injecting themselves for the purpose of insulting Arabs or Turks or any other nation. That should tell a lot about who is and who is not civil and civilized.

Please stop making a fool of yourself. Iranians these days have enough fools in their own country to deal with. They do not need to deal with your rage and your hate. Go and see a doctor dude. We cannot help you.

@Megan

Well said. I think if we just ignore him completely (aka if he comments here, pretend the comment isn’t there). Bullies usually give up when they’re ignored.

@Megan

Well said. I think if we just ignore him completely (aka if he comments here, pretend the comment isn’t there). Bullies usually give up when they’re ignored.

Megan-I started the conversation as one of the early threads-Rev.Magdelen /-suggested that the Persian leadership tshould find a way of attacking a neighbouring Arab country to unite the ation and regime. This and the suggestion that it could be the KIngdom was the final straw after the Persian attempt at seizing Iraqi Oil 3 weeks ago-so you cnanappreciate maybe why I have been adding my comments since.

You ended the thread on a sour note with your petty insult-so I will not even bother answering-just to say if you are Persian…well ,good luck !

To mukarbish-yes your leader is Azeri Persian -50% of his blood is 100 % Persian-Persian are the people of todays Iran that is why i use it. You are known as Persian-only Pahlavi sought to change your name but you are what you are. Maybe you too should go on youtube-oh, i forgot you are already there clogging it with your views etc.

Finally DC I AM NOT A BULLY-I was a casual observer until one of the contributors suggested that your government (if you are Persian) may look to start a fight with the neighbouring Arab countries-so I am defending the consistent nusiance that is iran and the Persians since Pahlavi till now.

Good luck and the dreamers on these threads that wnat to create a new Iran etc. i wish you well but you may all need to see a doctor as the reality in your country may not be what some of think it is..

Megan-I started the conversation as one of the early threads-Rev.Magdelen /-suggested that the Persian leadership tshould find a way of attacking a neighbouring Arab country to unite the ation and regime. This and the suggestion that it could be the KIngdom was the final straw after the Persian attempt at seizing Iraqi Oil 3 weeks ago-so you cnanappreciate maybe why I have been adding my comments since.

You ended the thread on a sour note with your petty insult-so I will not even bother answering-just to say if you are Persian…well ,good luck !

To mukarbish-yes your leader is Azeri Persian -50% of his blood is 100 % Persian-Persian are the people of todays Iran that is why i use it. You are known as Persian-only Pahlavi sought to change your name but you are what you are. Maybe you too should go on youtube-oh, i forgot you are already there clogging it with your views etc.

Finally DC I AM NOT A BULLY-I was a casual observer until one of the contributors suggested that your government (if you are Persian) may look to start a fight with the neighbouring Arab countries-so I am defending the consistent nusiance that is iran and the Persians since Pahlavi till now.

Good luck and the dreamers on these threads that wnat to create a new Iran etc. i wish you well but you may all need to see a doctor as the reality in your country may not be what some of think it is..

Megan
So funny, but poor Plastic Bertrand is not KH’s agent ; He belongs to an arabic country and he’s afraid of iranian attack in the middle est; I have said to him that he’s our friend and he has to pray for us and our Victory to get rid of our dangerous leaders!

Plastic Bertrand
They are so nasty, you coudn’t imagine ; goodbye friend and good luck!

Megan
So funny, but poor Plastic Bertrand is not KH’s agent ; He belongs to an arabic country and he’s afraid of iranian attack in the middle est; I have said to him that he’s our friend and he has to pray for us and our Victory to get rid of our dangerous leaders!

Plastic Bertrand
They are so nasty, you coudn’t imagine ; goodbye friend and good luck!

Plastic Bertrand

I fear that you have misread an earlier post – and have misunderstood it’s intent.

You said:”I started the conversation as one of the early threads-Rev.Magdelen /-suggested that the Persian leadership tshould find a way ”

You have used the word “should” in this sentence. The intent of the original post was that Khamenei MAY POSSIBLY or COULD start some kind of external event (perhaps a war) to try to solve his internal problems. Nobody here, whether they are Iranian or others , have suggested that Khamenei SHOULD start a war with an adjacent Aran country, and nobody here would support such a thing.

Most of us are here primarily to try to analyse and understand just what is going on inside Iran and to attempt to support the Reformist movement in Iran. Part of that analysis involves not only discussion of what is happening – but also discussion of what MAY happen.

There is a regime supporter who comes here and states that the reformist movement is inherently racist (ie anti-Arab). I don’t know why he says that, but I am sure that I can assure you that the people here are not inclined that way. If anything , it is the Iranian Regime that is both racist and imperialistic – as they wish to impose their Shiite “Iranian Revolution” upon the rest of the world. That matter is actually enshrined in the Constitution of Iran.

So please – get down from your high horse – feel welcomed here – and join us in our endeavors. You will find that we have common interests – Arabs, Iranians and Westerners.

Barry

Plastic Bertrand

I fear that you have misread an earlier post – and have misunderstood it’s intent.

You said:”I started the conversation as one of the early threads-Rev.Magdelen /-suggested that the Persian leadership tshould find a way ”

You have used the word “should” in this sentence. The intent of the original post was that Khamenei MAY POSSIBLY or COULD start some kind of external event (perhaps a war) to try to solve his internal problems. Nobody here, whether they are Iranian or others , have suggested that Khamenei SHOULD start a war with an adjacent Aran country, and nobody here would support such a thing.

Most of us are here primarily to try to analyse and understand just what is going on inside Iran and to attempt to support the Reformist movement in Iran. Part of that analysis involves not only discussion of what is happening – but also discussion of what MAY happen.

There is a regime supporter who comes here and states that the reformist movement is inherently racist (ie anti-Arab). I don’t know why he says that, but I am sure that I can assure you that the people here are not inclined that way. If anything , it is the Iranian Regime that is both racist and imperialistic – as they wish to impose their Shiite “Iranian Revolution” upon the rest of the world. That matter is actually enshrined in the Constitution of Iran.

So please – get down from your high horse – feel welcomed here – and join us in our endeavors. You will find that we have common interests – Arabs, Iranians and Westerners.

Barry

I personally believe that the only common interests Americans should have is to save their own imploding nation abd rapidly declining economy. China is growing by 11% a year and you folks will be left with nothing but trinkets in Walmart. Spending so much money on lost wars and trying to have this delusional obsession with playing a global “cop” is far more dangerous and suicidal than trying to orchestrate a “regime change” in Iran. It is a mission IMPOSSIBLE. Global and Iranian political dynamics are simply not there for any “regime change” fantasy in the near future. BTW, I am an academic and totally objective, so don’t go around labelling any rational person as Baseeji or Hezbollahi. It is very juvenile effort and shows a basic disrespect for diversity of views. Propaganda is one thing and reality is another.

A very objective recent book on Iran by Dr. Ray Takeyh GUARDIANS OF THE REVOLUTION comes to the same logical conclusion: Iran is too big to destabilize, the only option is a diplomatic one. I believe that even that is too late as the US is now too weak, economically bankrupt and militarily overstretched and sliding into a geo-strategic abyss to have a real Iran policy. With the ascendant Chinese DRAGON breathing down the US, I believe this idiotic obsession with Iran should be the last priority.

I personally believe that the only common interests Americans should have is to save their own imploding nation abd rapidly declining economy. China is growing by 11% a year and you folks will be left with nothing but trinkets in Walmart. Spending so much money on lost wars and trying to have this delusional obsession with playing a global “cop” is far more dangerous and suicidal than trying to orchestrate a “regime change” in Iran. It is a mission IMPOSSIBLE. Global and Iranian political dynamics are simply not there for any “regime change” fantasy in the near future. BTW, I am an academic and totally objective, so don’t go around labelling any rational person as Baseeji or Hezbollahi. It is very juvenile effort and shows a basic disrespect for diversity of views. Propaganda is one thing and reality is another.

A very objective recent book on Iran by Dr. Ray Takeyh GUARDIANS OF THE REVOLUTION comes to the same logical conclusion: Iran is too big to destabilize, the only option is a diplomatic one. I believe that even that is too late as the US is now too weak, economically bankrupt and militarily overstretched and sliding into a geo-strategic abyss to have a real Iran policy. With the ascendant Chinese DRAGON breathing down the US, I believe this idiotic obsession with Iran should be the last priority.

Carpe Diem

The US Fifth Fleet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet – is currently in your neighborhood, looking for work. Operating 24 hours each day, 7 days per week – they will take on any task that they are given.

Try them – you will surely enjoy a free display of their resources. .

Barry

Carpe Diem

The US Fifth Fleet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet – is currently in your neighborhood, looking for work. Operating 24 hours each day, 7 days per week – they will take on any task that they are given.

Try them – you will surely enjoy a free display of their resources. .

Barry

@ Barry. You obviously have not been to the Persian Gulf. It is closed and shallow body of water with strong summer thermals in the summer making life unbearable Putting large carriers in such narrow confines is sheer lunacy. They will be sitting ducks for the SUNBURNS, C-802 and thousands of other missiles in Iranian inventory, even artillery with base bleed ammo can wreak havoc in such a small body of water, dominated by Iran.. Bahrain itself is the most unstable place in the whole region with a huge Shia population and their resistance to the oppressive rule of the Al-Khalifah puppets. just a few months ago a Shia Bahraini pilot along with his spanking new F-16 defected to Iran. Did yo know that historically Bahrain was part of Iran.

I would not put too much faith in the 5th fleet in the era of supersonic SSM’s, asymmetrical warfare and Iranian military dominance of the region. Military affairs and tactics are something I know a thing or two about.

@ Barry. You obviously have not been to the Persian Gulf. It is closed and shallow body of water with strong summer thermals in the summer making life unbearable Putting large carriers in such narrow confines is sheer lunacy. They will be sitting ducks for the SUNBURNS, C-802 and thousands of other missiles in Iranian inventory, even artillery with base bleed ammo can wreak havoc in such a small body of water, dominated by Iran.. Bahrain itself is the most unstable place in the whole region with a huge Shia population and their resistance to the oppressive rule of the Al-Khalifah puppets. just a few months ago a Shia Bahraini pilot along with his spanking new F-16 defected to Iran. Did yo know that historically Bahrain was part of Iran.

I would not put too much faith in the 5th fleet in the era of supersonic SSM’s, asymmetrical warfare and Iranian military dominance of the region. Military affairs and tactics are something I know a thing or two about.

Carpe Diem

“Putting large carriers in such narrow confines is sheer lunacy.”

Of course- you don’t think that the American Admiral would be that stupid?. The Fleet is a deep water fleet – they do not ever need to enter the Gulf to do their work.

Barry

Carpe Diem

“Putting large carriers in such narrow confines is sheer lunacy.”

Of course- you don’t think that the American Admiral would be that stupid?. The Fleet is a deep water fleet – they do not ever need to enter the Gulf to do their work.

Barry

Carpe Diem,

So is Marandi and he is still a Basiji.

Academics? I feel sorry for the students you are indoctrinating. Which learning institution has the audacity to keep you on the payroll? Taliban University?

With all the hate you harbor for Americans and the U.S., I can guess the future of your students; Dr. Hassan who took an oath to protect lives but instead murdered people, or the Nigerian bomber with explosives on his genital.

The world will be better off without academics like you.

I do not care to have a conversation with you. You are not worth my time.

Carpe Diem,

So is Marandi and he is still a Basiji.

Academics? I feel sorry for the students you are indoctrinating. Which learning institution has the audacity to keep you on the payroll? Taliban University?

With all the hate you harbor for Americans and the U.S., I can guess the future of your students; Dr. Hassan who took an oath to protect lives but instead murdered people, or the Nigerian bomber with explosives on his genital.

The world will be better off without academics like you.

I do not care to have a conversation with you. You are not worth my time.

DC,

Thanks, I plan to do exactly that.

DC,

Thanks, I plan to do exactly that.

Ange,

Glad, I made you smile. There is more decency and humanity in your little finger than there is in truck loads of Plastic B. There is enough courage, compassion and love in you to cover up acres of hate emanating from likes of Carp Dimwit who claims to be an academician and objective. What a joke?

Ange,

Glad, I made you smile. There is more decency and humanity in your little finger than there is in truck loads of Plastic B. There is enough courage, compassion and love in you to cover up acres of hate emanating from likes of Carp Dimwit who claims to be an academician and objective. What a joke?

How old are you angry delusional children anyway? We all know who is funding this crappy “group think” website. The fact remains that the US is in irreversible decline. May I suggest looking at a few PEW global polls to see the global unpopularity of the the US. America is a deadbeat economic basketcase police state that has lost 2 wars in the region to the weakest Muslim nations, Iraq and Afghanistan. Does anyone with an IQ over 70 think that an economic basketcase that can’t even deliver aid to an island (Haiti)a few hundered kilometers away can somehow instigate a “regime change” in Iran, a nation of 73 million people which has the 4th largest missile force in the world and over 12 million men under arms (Basij, Artesh and IRGC included). This is not 1953 when they could rent Shaboon Bemokh and overthrow the legitimate and popular government of Dr. Mossegh. Iran today, thanks to the Islamic Revolution is a power to be reckoned with. All objective polls suggest that the popularly elected government of Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad enjoys at least over 90% support. Specially in the rural religious and conservative areas. The so-called rioting thugs are a smal isolated minority amongst the rich upper classes of North Tehran. The same ingrate cowards who send their spoilt brats to the US and Europe to escape national military service, the same cowards who ran away with Iran’s wealth during the Jange Tahmili and now their out of touch brats post drivel on foreign blogs that have a totally insidious agenda. GET REAL. The IRGC and Basij are the very reason that Iran is an independent nuclear power today and is immune to foreign hollow threats.

Anyway, it is an Asia centric global order now with China (Iran’s closest ally) at the helm. May I suggest you deluded out of touch children of vatan feroush smell the ROSEWATER at least once in your sad pathetic exiled life. I willl return to check on your mental state in a few months. Long live the Islamic Republic of Iran.

How old are you angry delusional children anyway? We all know who is funding this crappy “group think” website. The fact remains that the US is in irreversible decline. May I suggest looking at a few PEW global polls to see the global unpopularity of the the US. America is a deadbeat economic basketcase police state that has lost 2 wars in the region to the weakest Muslim nations, Iraq and Afghanistan. Does anyone with an IQ over 70 think that an economic basketcase that can’t even deliver aid to an island (Haiti)a few hundered kilometers away can somehow instigate a “regime change” in Iran, a nation of 73 million people which has the 4th largest missile force in the world and over 12 million men under arms (Basij, Artesh and IRGC included). This is not 1953 when they could rent Shaboon Bemokh and overthrow the legitimate and popular government of Dr. Mossegh. Iran today, thanks to the Islamic Revolution is a power to be reckoned with. All objective polls suggest that the popularly elected government of Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad enjoys at least over 90% support. Specially in the rural religious and conservative areas. The so-called rioting thugs are a smal isolated minority amongst the rich upper classes of North Tehran. The same ingrate cowards who send their spoilt brats to the US and Europe to escape national military service, the same cowards who ran away with Iran’s wealth during the Jange Tahmili and now their out of touch brats post drivel on foreign blogs that have a totally insidious agenda. GET REAL. The IRGC and Basij are the very reason that Iran is an independent nuclear power today and is immune to foreign hollow threats.

Anyway, it is an Asia centric global order now with China (Iran’s closest ally) at the helm. May I suggest you deluded out of touch children of vatan feroush smell the ROSEWATER at least once in your sad pathetic exiled life. I willl return to check on your mental state in a few months. Long live the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Carpe Diem

Thank you – thank you. It has been getting a little dull around here of late – so it was really great of you to introduce a comedy routine into the Forum.

But we all should play our part in this aspect of our entertainment – so I have found a few comedy items that may amuse the children here

1. AN is not happy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZJmcVlHzk

2. AN told us there are no gays in Iran – but here they are having their annual Gay Mardi Gras in Tehran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOCtGlY-kk8

3. The Reformists ask WHERE IS MY VOTE – here is their answer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNuaEQd3gQ

4. A new Industry to assist Irans failing economy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86fMcrha7cA

I hope the children like these – and look forward to their contributions.

Barry

Carpe Diem

Thank you – thank you. It has been getting a little dull around here of late – so it was really great of you to introduce a comedy routine into the Forum.

But we all should play our part in this aspect of our entertainment – so I have found a few comedy items that may amuse the children here

1. AN is not happy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZJmcVlHzk

2. AN told us there are no gays in Iran – but here they are having their annual Gay Mardi Gras in Tehran http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOCtGlY-kk8

3. The Reformists ask WHERE IS MY VOTE – here is their answer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNuaEQd3gQ

4. A new Industry to assist Irans failing economy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86fMcrha7cA

I hope the children like these – and look forward to their contributions.

Barry

hey Carpe Diem, do you mean the same Iranian Regime that sends their people to foreign universities to study and then recalls them back to iran? Please don’t pretend you know everything when you’re just as much a hypocrite as the rest of them.

hey Carpe Diem, do you mean the same Iranian Regime that sends their people to foreign universities to study and then recalls them back to iran? Please don’t pretend you know everything when you’re just as much a hypocrite as the rest of them.

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Funny, i don’t live in your so called “AmeriKKKa”.

Funny, i don’t live in your so called “AmeriKKKa”.

Barry,

“1. AN is not happy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZJmcVlHzk”

1001 THANKS! Wunderbar, wonderful, PHANTASTIC :-)

Best subtitles I have ever seen!
I guess the excellent actor Bruno Ganz never would have expected to enact the Iranian Fuehrer.

You made my day, kheyli mamnun!

Arshama

Barry,

“1. AN is not happy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZJmcVlHzk”

1001 THANKS! Wunderbar, wonderful, PHANTASTIC :-)

Best subtitles I have ever seen!
I guess the excellent actor Bruno Ganz never would have expected to enact the Iranian Fuehrer.

You made my day, kheyli mamnun!

Arshama

Arshama

Yes – we need more humour — much thanks should go to Carpe Diem

I liked the line ” Hezbollah fighters are too scared to fly Iran Air again – they say they would rather walk across an Israeli minefield!! ” :)

Barry

Arshama

Yes – we need more humour — much thanks should go to Carpe Diem

I liked the line ” Hezbollah fighters are too scared to fly Iran Air again – they say they would rather walk across an Israeli minefield!! ” :)

Barry

AN says: ” Now days you can’t even rig an election – it’s all over f***** Youtube the next day if you try!!” :)

Barry

AN says: ” Now days you can’t even rig an election – it’s all over f***** Youtube the next day if you try!!” :)

Barry

Carpe Diem,

“We all know who is funding this crappy ‘group think’ website.”

Don’t be coy: if you are going to make an allegation to discredit those who don’t share your views, state it clearly and then back it up.

S.

Carpe Diem,

“We all know who is funding this crappy ‘group think’ website.”

Don’t be coy: if you are going to make an allegation to discredit those who don’t share your views, state it clearly and then back it up.

S.

Hey Barry – you seem to get all the crazies in your time zone ;-). What time zone are you in anyway? We coincided once (I’m in CET – or GMT +1) and I’m sorry we don’t seem to have much overlap. I really appreciate your sense of humour!

Hey Barry – you seem to get all the crazies in your time zone ;-). What time zone are you in anyway? We coincided once (I’m in CET – or GMT +1) and I’m sorry we don’t seem to have much overlap. I really appreciate your sense of humour!